Sailing to/from mooring/anchor

We have been spoiled by a reliable engine for a couple of decades. This summer it is paying us back in spades. In the process, we have had to sail to our mooing a couple of times and off our anchor once (in 15 kts of wind with a very muddy chain - what a mess on the foredeck!)

Question here - how many of us are sailing to/from moorings without using the engine. What are you doing to manage it safely - that sail can be a big sweep and I hate to be what is swept off the deck! I managed it nicely this morning solo in 8 kts of wind, but the mooring field is pretty tight, making for a potentially dicey situation. The club steward hip-towed us in once due to general activity in the mooring field that would have made a mistake problematic. That is not an option most of the time and my welcome will wear out fairly quickly.

Same with setting and puling the anchor under sail - anyone doing it as a matter of course and what how are you doing it safely. To pull our anchor in 15 kts of wind, we double reefed the sail but it was still a pretty hairy operation (at my wife’s favorite anchorage - in Oyster Bay across from Billy Joel’s house and closer to the shore at low tide then I would have liked to be doing the operation).

Thanks.

lloyd herman
Rendezvous, 30U
Port Washington, NY

Lloyd

I tried sailing my 30U off the mooring once. The mooring pennant line got stuck in the rudder it was not fun trying to get it released as a solo sailor. So I never tried it again after that experience. The Nonsuch sail is not like a main sail on other boats as I found out and it powers up very fast.IMO it’s not worth the risk.

Mike
BIANKA
1986 30U
Long Island

On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 5:29:02 PM UTC-4 Julie & Lloyd on Rendezvous wrote:

I can’t give you much help Lloyd.

My brother and I sailed my 26 off the anchor once in light winds. It went fine but we had the engine running in case it went bad. At the time I only had a manual windlass. Fortunately my brother was able to break the anchor free by hand so we did not have to sail to break it free. I have not done it since but it actually makes sense to practice when the winds are light and the anchorage empty. You might consider putting in two reefs before hoisting the sail to keep the power low when leaving the anchorage.

You have not said whether you have windlass and if it is manual or electric. An electric that you can operate from the cockpit would certainly help.

Going onto a mooring buoy would approach on a close reach and luff the sail to control speed. I would try bring the buoy up on the windward side so that if I got things wrong I would drift away from the buoy and not drag it under the boat. I would pick up the buoy at the cockpit and let the wind push me back. Leaving I would determine which tack I wanted to leave on and wait until the boat was on that side of the buoy before I slipped the line. The wind should blow the boat off the buoy and the bow down so that you are on a reach by the time you get back to the cockpit.

A few years ago we were sitting on a buoy at a marine park, dozing in the cockpit. The wind was probably only 5 knots. I heard some Caribbean music and looked up to see a Cal 26 sailing past wing on wing with a tanned blonde teenager at the helm looking like he had stepped out of the pages of Dove. As he got close to shore he walked forward and free up the anchor. Walked back checked his depth and walked forward again. He tossed the anchor off the side of the bow and let the boat sail forward as he paid out rode. He then locked it off and as the anchor caught the boat turned and he went back to the mast and dropped the sails. He could really handle that boat.

I look forward to hearing from others that sail off and on their anchors.

Mark Powers

I have sailed off the mooring a few times, always with experienced crew, pretty much a non-event if you are paying attention. Make sure the lines/stick are released upwind, steer down and sheet in. Don’t let the crew come back from the bow until you are making way - is safer as the sail will be solidly on one side of the boat. While it is an interesting skill, I cannot see myself doing that in an emergency - if the engine will not start, I am not leaving the mooring.

I would suggest all practice picking up the mooring under sail - you never know when you will need to do it and best to have a plan before hand. Each time I have done it, I have sailed to a emptyish part of the bay and headed into the wind a couple of times to gauge how fast/slow the boat would stop in the current conditions. Yesterday, I did that and then the wind doubled in strength after I was in the mooring field - so much for plans. That said, I got to the mooring with about 2 kts of speed on, which seemed about right. I wanted more then too little - did not want to fall short and be drifting, running back to the cockpit and trying to make way to avoid others. Do we all have Samson posts? They are a thing of beauty when sailing to the mooring.

We don’t have a windlass, so I pull the anchor by hand. Normally I pull the boat to the anchor all by hand, or have my wife motor us up as I pull in the rode/anchor. Between the15 kts of wind and the current we had last week, the boat was at an angle to the wind and I could not pull the boat to the anchor. The boat did not point into the wind when the sail was raised. And yes, as others have noted, the boat made way very quickly with the sail up (even double reefed). I pulled in the rode as fast as I physically could and piled everything on the deck - going down the hawser hole would have slowed everything down too much. I expected our motion to clean the chain some, but alas, it did not and there was caked mud on the chain that needed to be cleaned later. Even double reefed, we were still heeling a bit and I was worried about the rode and chain going overboard. We got it all stuffed down the hawser hole as soon as we cleared the anchorage area, pulling it out when on our mooring to clean everything up. 120 feet of chain and rode dragging in the water would have been very bad. While I am not sure I would practice pulling the anchor under sail, it is certainly worth thinking about how you would do it in an emergency.

I wonder if a windlass would have been a hinderance - I highly doubt it would have brought the rode/chain in fast enough to be of use.

I am also giving greater thought to how I would set the anchor under sail. That is a lesser worry for me - it there are two aboard, one steers the boat into the wind and when it stops, drop the anchor and let out chain/rode and as soon as the anchor grabs, drop the sail and then adjust your scope. By myself - very worrying some. Maybe keep sailing . . . .

Thoughts, people, thoughts.

lloyd herman
Rendezvous, 30U
Port Washington, NY

Hey Mark…surprised you didnt recognize me…

Phil

Lloyd, sounds like you have way more experience on this subject than I do. If my thoughts make sense give them a try. If they are Nonsuch Nonsense let everyone know so they don’t use them.

The electric windlass does not pull that rode in as fast as a strong person can do it by hand, but I think it can help. Once the anchor is off the bottom you can go back to the cockpit and handle the sheet and steer while at the same time use the windlass to pull the anchor up to the roller. Once you are clear and have the room you can go forward, seat the anchor and tie it off. This also means the rode is not sitting in a pile on the deck.

When La Reina came us, she had a Simpson-Lawrence manual windlass. It was so slow at bringing the line in I seldom used it. I found that is I loosed the clutch to allow the gypsy to spin freely the rode would fall into the locker as fast as I could pull it in. La Reina now has a Lewmar Pro horizontal electric windlass. The design is such that it is a pain to feed the rode into the locker without using the windlass. The arm on top of the windlass gets in the way. I have to use my heel to keep it open but then it is difficult to use my legs to lift the anchor. I have pretty much resigned myself to being patient and letting the windlass pull in the rode. I do use the engine to so that the windlass does not pull the boat forward or break the anchor free.

Here is an article on anchoring under sail on a sloop.
https://www.yachtingmonthly.com/sailing-skills/how-to-anchor-under-sail-38438

Phil, we should move the discussion of my blindness to another channel.

Mark Powers