Hi All -
I’m replacing the running rigging on my NS36 and the halyard spec in the manual calls for 15mm, which is close to 5/8". I’m running this on an electrified Barient 28 winch, which allows from 7/16" to 5/8" line.
For the 36’ers out there, what size are you running? 5/8" is a beast.
Thanks -
Bob Gehrman
NS36 #52 “Fortunate”
Cowesett, RI
I sincerely hope that this “Electrified Winch” is not used in Self Tailing mode when hoisting you sail???
Safe Sailing
Cedric – Single Malt
26C # 207 Chester Nova Scotia
I sincerely hope that this “Electrified Winch” is not used in Self Tailing mode when hoisting you sail???
Safe Sailing
Cedric – Single Malt
26C # 207 Chester Nova Scotia
I sincerely hope that this “Electrified Winch” is not used in Self Tailing mode when hoisting you sail???
Safe Sailing
Cedric – Single Malt
26C # 207 Chester Nova Scotia
Hi Bob
I just replaced mine with 9/16, but 1/2 would have been fine. Also manual calls for 140ft. You could easily cut 20 ft off mine and still have plenty.
Would love to see Fortunate when you are done. I am located in Newburyport Ma and hope to get down your way cruising.
Lee
We replaced our small diameter halyard his year with I believe 9/16”. I like the feel and grip in my hand, and holds better on the winch and clutch.
Bill Kroes
NS36 #24 “Canatara”
Sarnia, Ontario
Bob,
It depends on the line material you want to use. You can reasonably assume that the 9/16ths “cupsheet” line called for on a 36 was 1980’s quality dacron. A modern line like New England Ropes’ all polyester dacron StaSetX probably outperforms that, and at 9/16ths has a tensile strength of 11,700 lbs. If you replace it with their higher-tech Endura-Braid for a “mere” 70% more in cost, you can go down to 7/16ths and get a tensile strength of 14,900 lbs.
– Bob
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Nonsuch 26U #233
Based on reading Phil’s points in a separate thread on halyard rigging, I really want to emphasize that my preceding post was only good advice in the context of Bob having said at the top of this thread that his winch is rated for lines 7/16" to 5/8".
As Phil so rightly points out, choosing a line size without verifying that your self-tailer works with it is a recipe for disaster.
And, also want to emphasize that, as Brian posted elsewhere, self-tailers only work in their rated line range if they’re intact.
Santa’s not the only one who should be checking his list and checking it twice.
– Bob
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Nonsuch e26U #233
The sailing supply shop here in town gave me 12" pieces of the line sizes that I was considering so that I could check them in my self-tailer to prevent purchasing a really long piece that I couldn’t use.
Brian Godfrey
Vela, NS33, San Diego
And I highly recommend that anyone interested in this thread also look at the related thread titled “Halyard Rigging” started by Phil LeVine.
– Bob
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Nonsuch e26U #233
Does Bob Gehrman also own a 30 in Baltimore?
If Bob Geherman owns NS36 Fortune from Warwick RI and has named her Fortunate then yes he is from Baltimore , if he owns a 30 I don’t know.
At any rate Bravo Bob
Good sailing
Brian
Boat-less in New England
I am the lucky owner of 2 Nonsuches as noted. Fortunate is my NS36 restoration project outside of Warwick (formerly “Fortune”). Coming along well and planning for a Spring 2024 splash.
Quickbeam is my NS30U in Baltimore, which I restored over the last few years.
I guess I’m a glutton for punishment!
Bob Gehrman
NS30U #396 “Quickbeam” in Baltimore, MD
NS36 #52 “Fortunate” in Cowesett, RI
As a follow-up, I did order a 9/16” halyard. I figured it was a compromise between the 15mm specified and the 1/2” that RW Ropes recommended.
Next topic: Rigging the halyard to raise the sail
Fortunate has an electrified main sheet winch, which I believe was used to hoist the sail. There are no fairleads or other deck mounted blocks that are obvious how the halyard would run to the winch. I can’t imagine that it runs out of the bullet deck organizer and across the cockpit to the winch? You’d have to evacuate the crew on the starboard side of the cockpit to raise the sail???
If anyone can post a photo of their setup it would be greatly appreciated. The halyard on my NS30 is on the port side with its own winch, so I’m trying to understand the 36 philosophy.
Bob Gehrman
NS36 #52 “Fortunate”
Cowesett, Rhode Island
Bob,
Phil LeVine’s travelling for another week or so, but if you can wait until he’s back, I’d suggest contacting him and asking for pictures of his layout.
He’s got a very workable arrangement that leads the halyard to his portside coaming electric winch through well-designed turning blocks from forward, and also leads the mainsheet from aft to the same winch through a cheekblock with clutch on the aft port coaming corner.
The key is that the halyard turning block on the coaming has a very large sheave shaped like an anchor roller, set at about a 45 degree angle to handle the halyard angling both downwards and outwards from the cabintop. But you’ll really need pictures.
I’ve sailed with him many times with that arrangement, have never needed to evacuate to starboard, and have lived to tell the tale.
– Bob
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Nonsuch e26U #233
Steve Currier
‘87 Nonsuch 36 #41
Caper
Old Lyme, Ct
Steve -
Just a question: After the halyard passes through the rope clutch on the cabin top, does it contact (rub against) anything at all before it goes through the jib sheet car ??
Curiosity …
Ernie A. in Toronto
Ernie, No, the clutch is positioned close to the edge and the adjustable block on the combing keeps things free. The bend at the clutch downward does create the biggest friction point however, but it doesn’t rub.
It does look like in Steve’s setup that the halyard would interfere with someone sitting in the forward port corner of the cockpit, right?
Can’t speak to Steve’s, but it’s akin to Phil’s that I described earlier. Thus, I know from having sat everywhere on his N36 that it can be laid out so it doesn’t interfere with much of anything.
Phil’s has larger deck organizers rather than bullet fairleads for the lines coming aft on the cabin top, which spreads them a bit wider and allows them to pass under the dodger a bit closer to the sides of the cabin top. That takes the halyard down to the coaming a bit closer to the seatback, reducing both friction and the seating area impinged upon.
– Bob
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Nonsuch e26U #233
