in Toronto?
I just put a new bimini on my 33. It was about $1500, which included a window so I can see the sail and the zippers to attach my existing dodger part of the cockpit enclosure. The base price was about $1200. The one I replaced was maybe 10+ years old.
Just got a quote yesterday for our 30 Ultra. To replace our 10 year old full enclosure. Windows with screens on each side and stern. Viewing window with canvas/velcro cover on top. $6800 US. Catharsis. had full canvas when I bought her in 1999. I replaced it the next year, so this will be her third. We spend 80% of our time in the cockpit with total comfort in any kind of weather. Can’t imagine not being fully enclosed.
Phil Harmeson
Catharsis.
Ultra 30 #295
Traverse City, Michigan
Debbie, tells me the material and sewing machine would cost $2,300. So add another $500 in learning. The main issue we have found is older installations used thread that was not very uv resistant. She has replaced all our with Gore tex thread that is uv resistant and that has solved most of the longevity issues. So make sure they use Tenra thread.
We used Strat Glass for the clear panels as well and l we coat the clear panels with 303 regularly.
About $7000.00 +
Cheers
Brian McCuaig. NS30u
Whitby, Ontario
“Having a yacht is reason for being more cheerful than most."
Brian maybe use this opportunity to review your whole enclosure framework . I found moving the windshield attachment to the topdeck forward by about a foot made an enormous difference in access to the companionway and a feeling of openness .
Bob Jenkins
Previous owner Good News TO
Brian: I’ve delivered many boats and sailed many Nonsuches. I still believe that the Bimini/Dodger that came on my boat is superior to all others. I’ve plenty of headroom, don’t hit my head when going below, have the ability to add side panels where desired and most of all, is totally open to the breeze on hot days since the front and corner panels are removable. I also have great access when boarding the boat. One of the other pluses is that when I race, the canvas comes off and goes back on, literally, in five minutes. Note that the side panels are stored on top of the Bimini as is the front panel thus saving storage space and time.
Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA
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[/details]Joe, the Bimini zippers off and stores on the rear crash bar, the front windows zip and old up. I also have mosquito screens to replace the side windows as well as hard lexan windows to give a good view at night when anchored. I am 6’6” and don’t hit my head going below and no issues boarding. Zipping takes an instant and unzipping takes two instants as I like to roll up the side panels, the stern windows roll up and the Bimini top rolls backwards and is stored with the stern windows at the back of the structure.
If you need a better look get on Facebook and check out the Nonsuch page.
Someone asked how much a full enclosure costs, I answered $7000- +
That is Canadian dollars by the way.
Cheers
Brian McCuaig. NS30u
Fresh water boat
Whitby, Ontario.
“Having a nice Nonsuch is reason for being more cheerful than most."
Brian, what a nice high dock, I have to haul myself up 26” to step on my side deck, it gets more challenging each year and with my poor balance I don’t fancy a step stool.
Aging is not for sissies!
Richard Lane
NS26c Swoose
Port Townsend
Hi -
Not sure what pricing in Toronto would be, but here in New Jersey, I had a full enclosure made locally about 5 years ago…
I wanted large windows and headroom (though I am only 5’6"). With the previous, original design, dodger, I had to duck under it to go below, or work the lines on the coachtop, and when standing at the helm it provided no wind protection.
Dodger headroom is now 6’.
Bimini headroom is 6’4"
Sunbrella fabric
All new 316 stainless steel tubing frame
Strataglass windows - all roll-up/roll-down as needed.
Tenera (Gortex) UV resistant thread
The connector (removable for added air flow) piece between dodger and Bimini is almost all Strataglass so I can see the forward end of the boom and sail shape.
The Bimini has two strataglass panels so I can see the sail and windex at top of mast ( no wind instruments in cockpit) when sitting or standing at the helm
Bimini will fold open fully, and has a boot cover to keep it all in place
I had 4 screen panels made (center forward, center back, 2 side entrances) for days that may be buggy but cockpit airflow is still necessary when on hook/mooring/dock. (if you have screens made, make sure to use use black mesh - much easier to see through than white mesh). very easy to zip in/out to replace glass panels.
Total cost was approximately $5,000 US.
One of the best additions I made to the boat! We pretty much eat every meal in the cockpit, even if weather is bad, it is still dry and comfortable. Gives us (I’m guessing) about 30% additional living space which is great when on trips and the weather gets nasty. It allows for dry sailing if weather is wet, and makes for comfortable sailing when the weather gets cold… we sailed this past weekend and the weekend before when temps here in NY Harbor were maybe mid-40’s F.
Only word of caution is the mainsheet will sometimes catch the corners if the choker is not tight enough (as when the wind is light) and I forget to watch as I tack.
I’ve attached a photo (or two) for reference.
Peter Grabow
S/V CAKE WALK III
1987 30U 430
Jersey City, NJ
Looks great thanks
Terry Cutts C.E.T.
Smith and Long Mechanical
115 Idema Rd. Markham
L3R 1A9
647-205-9609
Hi
Iversons Designs of Olympia, Washington made our enclosure last year - apparently they have an excellent worldwide reputation now and I now understand why.
Two young men drove up to my boat (60 miles) during a February snowstorm and measured/bent/installed the 3/4 inch SS frame structures, and measured the clear plastic components to take back to the sewing shop - all in one day
They came back in two weeks and installed this enclosure - again, in one day. It is a perfect fit. It includes custom green screens for the three rear panels and the four side panels and covers for the strataglass dodger windows.
This is definitely the best improvement we’ve made to the boat - Lisa and I have visited the boat almost every day since March, and we spend almost 100 % of the time in the heated cockpit. A waterfront condo !
It cost about $15,000 for our 36 - very expensive, but wonderful quality - strong as hell
John Batchelor
NS36 #27 Wind Rose
Kirkland WA, RVYC
Boy, those dodger/bimini combis look good - every one of them, yet, all a little (or a lot) different. Ahoy, John Batchelor … I would love to see your setup and read your post but, for some reason, it is gigantic and only a little piece of it fits on the page. Maybe I can fix this - I dunno. And, yes, Mr. Neches … this new “format” is NO improvement.
Peter Grabow - your boat looks gorgeous.
Stay healthy, folks.
Ernie A. in Toronto
Sorry everyone - here is another attempt to include a picture (using mail app on iPhone to reply to this thread)
John Batchelor
S/V Wind Rose NS36 #27
Kirkland WA, RVYC
Ahhh … much beter, John, thanks !! Yes, 15 Gs is a big chunk o’ change but (in this case) you get what yous pay for. It looks quite unique due to the interesting shape of the windows.
Also, what is really cool is noticing how many sailors belong to clubs on the other side of the border, either in Canada or the States. I guess this friggin’ pandemic gives us LOTS of time to notice all manner of things that we’d have previously glossed over.
Oh … I did remember that if you cursor right up to the top right corner and find the 3 vertical dots (right at the very, very top) and click on them … up comes a window that includes a ZOOM function that enlarges or shrinks everything on the screen. That way, one can shrink down oversize stuff or blow up hard-to-see items. Technology … amazing.
Cheers,
Ernie A. in Toronto
Thank you Ernie!!
Peter
Thank you Terry.
Peter
Hi Terry -
figured I’d add a few of more photos to possible aid in options for the canvas -
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one suggestion my canvas fabricator made was to put hand-hold spaces on the dodger to allow for someone in the cockpit to have a hand-hold when moving about, without having to grab/wear/soil the fabric on the dodger edge… We put in three hand-holds - one in center, one on either side (starboard side showing, port side out of picture). These help a lot!
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one photo is to give a view of what it is like standing at the helm, looking forward through the connector ‘glass’. The window (the top of the photo) in the Bimini is the forward of the two Bimini top windows, which I use to see the top of the mast, telltales, upper sail-shape, etc.
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the third photo shows the Bimini folded open, with the boot covering in place (this photo is probably 5 years ago, coming back from a day sailing in the Atlantic, Coney Island in the background)
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also, get the ‘socks’ (I forget their actual names) that wrap around the frame bars (fabric with Velcro closures, you cut to size) - these protec the ‘glass’ when the bars heat up in the sun and keep them from damaging/‘burning’ the ‘glass’ (they weren’t installed when these photos were taken).
Hope this is helpful.
Peter
Grabow
S/V CAKE WALK III
1987 30U 430
Jersey City, NJ
