I have a cabin table I would like to convert so it gazelles down. The idea is to then have pull out sections to make a large sleeping area across the forward cabin area.
This is a picture of a NS 26 table that folds down, however I am not entirely sure how it works. Seems there are hinges and a plate bolted to the front of the leg that maybe removed to hing the table down.
Does the table then rest at the hing points and the legs nestle up against the table?
How does it attach to the floor when in the down position?
It this the standard way these things work or is there another approach. My table does not have the cabinet in the center. Being made of teak I will need to build a prototype or OSB before I start working on the table itself.
You might want to take a look at the first picture of this post: http://biankablog.blogspot.com/2008/03/removing-westerbeke.html It shows the table on my 30U that converts into a double bunk in the main cabin. It does not show the wood plate on the tables leg (it was removed in this picture)that secures it when it up. But, you can see the holes that the bolts of the plate feed through and are secured by wingnuts and a washer on the other side of the leg. It does show the hinges on the attached to the cabin sole and halfway up the table legs. This may help you to see how the table folds.
> From: Thor Powell thor.powell@GMAIL.COM > Subject: Nonusuch 26 table > To: NONSUCH-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 10:56 PM > > I have a cabin table I would like to convert so it gazelles down. The idea is to then have pull out sections to make a large sleeping area across the forward cabin area. > > This is a picture of a NS 26 table that folds down, however I am not entirely sure how it works. Seems there are hinges and a plate bolted to the front of the leg that maybe removed to hing the table down. > Does the table then rest at the hing points and the legs nestle up against the table? > How does it attach to the floor when in the down position? > > It this the standard way these things work or is there another approach. My table does not have the cabinet in the center. Being made of teak I will need to build a prototype or OSB before I start working on the table itself. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=thor.powell&target=ALBUM&id=5434521878670869521&authkey=Gv1sRgCLvun5611vW9YQ&feat=email > > Any ideas or input would be appreciated. > > Thor
I think Mike’s is a little different than the one you’re asking about, Thor–because the picture you linked to looks exactly like Dad’s. When Dad ordered his 26 I think he had to ask for the Camel style table instead of whatever they had been installing. (Sorry, I’ve never been in anyone else’s 26.)
Unfortunately, it was so rare we actually lowered the table and used the forward settees as a berth, and it actually hasn’t been done since I was old enough to remember how exactly it worked. If no one else gets to it first, I’ll see if Dad can explain. If he goes down to the boat this weekend, maybe I can get him to take some pictures.
I do remember dangling my feet off the settees (and thinking, at 5, how much I did not care for the scratchy wool-ish fabric in suggestive 70’s puke green). Those cubbies inside the table are for holding your Crayon Box and coloring book and Hot Wheels and a ziplock baggie of Cheetos. I do know that. Some folks say it’s for utensils and wine bottles and that type of silliness, but they’ve been seriously misinformed.
I have been looking for a good spot for my crayons, superheros and jacks I never would have thought of there! I confess missing shag rugs, orange and green furniture and leisure suits. Debbie and I actually still use the coffee maker and blender we got as wedding gifts, the coffee maker is 70’s orange and the blender that lovely avocado colour we all so dearly miss. They refuse to die and stand as a proud reminder of kitchen art over the decades. Who needs stainless when you have 70’s avocado!
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I would appreciate any info or pictures. I get the impression that Hinterholler loved to tinker with his designs and every boat seems to have a slightly different improvement as time progressed. He must have been an interesting fellow to work with.
Did the table support the bed or were there pull out platforms that stowed under the settee cushions? When the table was down how or did it attach to the floor?
What ever I do I’ll mock it up first, that teak table it too nice to make a mistake with…
I can't contribute any information on the shape of the table, but I can tell you about something that isn't on the market yet, but should be soon.
It's a device that lifts and drops a table easily and under control, so that the things don't stick, wobble, or take a lot of strength. It's supposed to be a huge improvement upon some of the other systems in use. The initial market is to be high-end RVs, but the inventor and manufacturer is my father, so I suspect that, if you wanted one, I could get him to sell you one in the right size. Let me know if you want to know more.
I know that the old v-berth/table arrangement we had in our first boat would have been a lot more useful if we had had some thing like it. Such a pain it was to put the thing down or back up.
Marion Gropen
Meander, NS36 #41, 1986
North Shore YC
Port Washington, NY
It's my father's device and company, not mine, so I don't have brochures or all that much info about it. If you want accurate information, I think I ought to step back out of the middle of this, and give you his email address:
tgdncry at sbcglobal dot net.
(changed the at and the dot, so the spam-bots couldn't read it easily)
I thought I could do this one at a time, but there have been a lot of you contacting me off-list. It seems simpler to put you in touch as a group. So, for the formal intro:
Dad, this is the Nonsuch Owner's list. It seems that some of them are interested in your table. List, this is my father, T Gerret Dewees. He does a pretty good job designing and building stuff, always has.
Marion Gropen
Meander, NS36 #41, 1986
North Shore YC
Port Washington, NY
Removed the salon tables which IS roomy and just GREAT ! David & Beth Howard have forgotten more about sailboat interiors than most people will ever know.
Am building fold open (a la Edson) tables with an end “slide out” that will seat up to 6 and which will live in the cockpit but also attach for use in the salon
Am avoiding what I perceive as the complications of slide out settee bases and legs under a “king berth” in the salon and thus . . . a) making removable or slide across thwarts to bridge between the existing settees and that will support two filler panels b) making strong, lightweight support panels for between the existing settees from honeycomb and that will live under the quarterberth cushions c) current plan is that the filler cushions will live at back of shelves above the settees.
Pix will be in the Galleries when “done” this spring.
I had the same idea about sleeping accommodations in our N26. The overall plan was to end up with an athwartship bunk as close to a conventional double bed wide as possible and still leave enough of the side cushions clear to sit one person on the aft end. The thinking was that when cruising, the bed can be left made up and there would still be room to sit two for meals at a folding table, if the weather prevented cockpit dining.
Since there was no where to store the cabin table when not in use, I decided to try and incorporate it into the solution. In conventional offset dinettes, the tables often drop down onto ledges that support the table when used as a bunk. So in a manner similar to the one in the photo, I cut the table legs at an approprite height and reattached the offcuts with large brass hinges. Unlike the “gazelle” concept, mine just fold outward and secure with velcro in the raised position. I did attach a thin piece of rubber to the new base of the shortened leg to protect the cabin sole.
The other major problem is how to support the folding table wing on the port side where the original swing out bunk section lives. My solution was to remove the sliding piece and make a new piece of teak trim to match the other side and to attach it permanently and at the same height to the front of the port bunk.
I then made some teak rails to support the table wings and attached them to the teak cushion trim on each side.
With the table dropped down and pushed forward into the vee between the bunks, there will be a space forward of the table that needs filling with a piece of ply.
Once that hole is filled, you can make a template of the new vee shaped cushion that needs to be made to complete the athwartship bunk.
This explanation seems far too complicated to be clear. I will take some photos tomorrow when I am at the boat and post them in a later e-mail. Anyone in the Toronto area that is interested in seeing the real thing is more than welcome to contact me directly. The boat is at AYC and I can be reached at storey.jk@gmail.com.
We are very happy with the results and so far the design has exceeded expectations.
Arthur,
Looking for your address I reread this post. On Avalon our table folds off the door to forward stowage. Nothing in main cabin unless you want it. With leaves out it feeds 6 though 4 is more comfortable.
We did away with the port pull out. I added a wedge that tapers from 10" additional at midship end to 2" additional at forward end. The wedge is permanently attached with knee braces, nothing cluttering the floor. Sarah then made new full width cushion. Sleeps one in comfort, two in pleasure.
has anyone ever converted a Classic to an Ultra cabin layout?----or close to it. I’m wondering if it’s reasonable/possible. widen the fwd port settee/bunk to a dbl bunk; move the heads fwd on other side of bulkhd, etc.
It would be cheaper to sell your 30C and buy a 30U.
It would also be easier.
However, if you have LOTS of money and hate having lots of money almost anything is possible by spending enough of it. Plus there are fine boatwrights in many places with mortgages, children, grandchildren, and retirements that such a project would greatly benefit.
> From: Arthur Langley arthur_langley@HOTMAIL.COM > Subject: 30C to 30U conversion > To: NONSUCH-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM > Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 8:58 PM > > It would be cheaper to sell your 30C and buy a 30U. > > It would also be easier. > > However, if you have LOTS of money and hate having lots of money almost anything is possible by spending enough of it. Plus there are fine boatwrights in many places with mortgages, children, grandchildren, and retirements that such a project would greatly benefit. > > Cheers, > > Arthur > > Arthur Langley & Linda Gray > BEAR AWAY 30C - /14 1979 BROADWAY 30U 426 1987 BEAR AWAY 30C - /54 1980 > S. Baymouth ON Little Hrbr Toronto ON Royal Canadian YC Cumberland ME priv. mooring > Lake Huron Fleet West-Lake Ontario Fleet New Hampshire & Maine Fleet > http://www.pbase.com/nonsuch/30c_014_bear_awayhttp://www.pbase.com/nonsuch/30c_054_bear_awayhttp://www.pbase.com/nonsuch/30u_426_broadway > > tel. 647.477.8143 cel 207.459.6410 tel. 207.449.1980 > > “I’ve spent most of my money on boats and women, the rest I’ve squandered.” Anon…but wise > > On 4/23/10 8:32 PM, “Gerard Costello 30C 200” gercostello25@gmail.com wrote: > > > has anyone ever converted a Classic to an Ultra cabin layout?----or close to it. I’m wondering if it’s reasonable/possible. widen the fwd port settee/bunk to a dbl bunk; move the heads fwd on other side of bulkhd, etc. > > > > gerard 30C 200
