Practical Sailor just posted an "Update" on its website to its 2000 N30 review

FWIW, here’s the comment I posted there on that “Update”…

It’s always nice to see information coming out about a very nice class of boats.

That said, it’s very disappointing to see this report tagged as “updated”. The only new information that jumped out at me was the market scan. Another clue that little was done to update it is that it refers to the principals behind it (Gordon Fisher, George Hinterhoeller, and Mark Ellis) in the present tense. The former two passed away decades ago, and Mark just last month. It’s further disappointing to see that the first of the four comments preceding mine, dated November 2022, remains on the website despite being clear and blatant spam.

Readers might be interested in Jeff Spranger’s Practical Sailor article about the boat dated December 1, 1986, re-posted with permission on the International Nonsuch Association’s (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lTCX-p3b0AaloZzYr2Or4_2BpKO1X-aI/view?usp=sharing)

It’s also disappointing that Practical Sailor has stuck to the schtick of calling the design, “weird.” This dates to the original 1981 Practical Sailor review, while Spranger pointed out only five years following that, “…there is now certainly acceptance by sailors; as with the comparable Freedom line, the rig is no longer ‘weird’ – it’s merely innovative.”

A point in Spranger’s article which remains true is that the International Nonsuch Association (www.Nonsuch.org), which has operated since 1983, has always been owner-supported, and continues to have the, “incredible esprit de corps” and “owner enthusiasm for the boat” which Spranger noted in 1986. The INA’s more than 600 members represent about two-thirds of the boats known to still exist.

In fact, this “updated” article contains information that would’ve been inaccurate when originally published in 2000 – and is even more so today. E.g., “The mast is … connected to the hull by a deck-level pin which passes through the mast and the cast aluminum deck collar.” In point of fact, this was only true of Nonsuch 26s and 30s built before spring 1984, and the Hinterhoeller factory initiated a repair/replacement program to update even those boats to a new below-deck mast tiedown system. It is highly unlikely to find any Nonsuch that still has the arrangement this article describes.

It is certainly the case that – like almost every ever sailboat sold – there was marketing material implying it could be taken offshore. However, it was in fact designed, built, and primarily marketed as a lake and coastal boat suitable for one-design racing and couples cruising. I base this on having personally interviewed the designer, the late Mark Ellis, for my 2020 Good Old Boat Magazine article on the Nonsuch 36. Mark was adamant about what the boat was and was not intended to do.

Updating a previous website comment posted by “sprime”, there were actually almost 1000 Nonsuches produced. These ranged from 22 to 36 feet in mass quantities, with a handful larger boats also produced labelled as either Nonsuch or Nereus 40s.

The Nonsuch today remains an innovative design that’s easy to handle, sails well (really well if you’re a tweaker), and offers tremendous interior space for its size. Although more expensive than similar sized boats of the same age because of the value they offer, they are very reasonable alternatives to massively overpriced new boats. The appeal is primarily to those who appreciate the innovative elements, which drew on Laser and Finn designs, and who are willing to invest the effort that any older boat will require.

– Robert Neches
Past Co-President, International Nonsuch Association

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I received an email update from Practical Sailor this morning that had a nice review about 'used 30 foot Nonsuch sailboats"…

I am sure many of you have seen it, but if you haven’t, this is the link to the article:

Peter Grabow
S/V CAKE WALK III
1987 30U 430
Stamford, CT

The article’s a very lightly updated version of a review originally written in 2000 even back then that contained some errors even back then.

In fact, the only changes I noticed was updated prices on the used boat market.

I posted some lengthy comments regarding the article on the Practical Sailor website, which I reposted as Nonsuch Discourse a thread (https://nonsuch.discourse.group/).

– Bob
Me Gusta
Nonsuch e26U #233
Marina del Rey, California

Bob is quite right about the inaccuracies in the article. The writer seems to have confused the “U” with some of the “C” attributes.

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

I got the impression that he knew nothing of Nonsuches or cat boats, and that he just reviewed one boat that is for sale on Yachtworld.com and assumed all 1000+ Nonsuches are identical. Lazy.

Brian Godfrey

Hi Bob,
I just looked at the article again, curious to see if anyone else had commented, and it looks like they must have removed yours because it is not there. Don’t confuse them with the facts.

Brian,

When I log in to Practical-Sailor.com, what they tell me is that my comment is, “Awaiting moderation.”

However, the first comment on the article is dated November 1, 2022. That one is clearly spam and they haven’t gotten rid of it in nearly three years. So, my guess is that moderation of mine may take a while.

It was the original Practical Sailor article, which must have been in 1981, that made me interested in Nonsuches. I remember thinking there was no way I could ever afford one, but it sure sounded like a neat idea. It wasn’t until 2017 that the opportunity arose to actually sail on one and buy it.

I regret to say that Practical Sailor has dropped considerably in quality in the past 44 years.

Then again, in all fairness, so have I.

– Bob

Boy, ain’t that the truth. I’ve dropped considerably in quality just in the last three years.

Practical Sailor may be more valuable to INA as a friend than a foe. Like many print publishers they are being squeezed crowd sourced ( FREE ) content. About a year ago they hired a Youtube guy to be their editor ( Lady K Sailing ).

I understand the temptation ro recycle content they are in a fight for their lives. I’d kinda like to see them survive.

There was a very nice article about the Cape Dory a few months ago and the author went out of their way to mention the importance of the Cape Dory community… Which sounds a lot like the Nonsuch community. I have been planning to approach PS about being a sponsor for our 2026 Rendezvous and possibly contributing an updated article about Nonsuch boats that we Nonsuchers could collaborate on.

Maybe we can put our heads together and propose some win-win collaboration opportunities with PS ?

Rob
s/v SOAVE
NS33 #009
Cedar Point YC
Westport, CT

That’s a very nice idea, Rob!

– Bob

Rob and all, I’m sure practical sailor could use some updated information from the real ones like you and I. It would be a great thing if they could promote the 2026 rendezvous in Newport Rhode Island..

Brian Cayer
Spirit ~Wind
N30U 419
Westbrook, CT

Hi All,
For folks that have reviewed the reprinted article, what should be addressed to set the record straight ? Or to accurately portray Nonsuch boats in “present day” context ?

I’ve noted :

  • Inaccurate description of how mast is connected to hull.
  • Confusion over Ultra and Classic configurations.
  • Lack of detail about performance tips.
  • Lack of info about maintenance pros and cons reltive to boats of similar vintage.
    Other ideas and thoughts ?

Maybe elaboration about the reasons we love our good old boats ?

Thanks,

Rob Cohen
s/v SOAVE
NS33 #009
Cedar Point YC
Westport, CT