Siphoning the old fluids...

Paul:

Personally, I’d be leery of siphoning out your old oils. Depending upon the shape of your oil pan and just where the siphon hose ends up, you are probably leaving a sizable amount of old oil in the sump, along with any accumulating sludge, metal chips/filings, water condensation, etc.

That’s why an oil change should be done right after the engine is run, with the oil still hot, and why the drain plug is always located at the very lowest point of the system to totally void the system. Always change the filter, too!

The internal moisture condensation from repeated hot/cold cycles of engine use along with added by-products from the combustion process itself create acids in the aging oil that don’t do your engine any good. In aircraft engines, we change the oil every 35 operating hours or every 4 to 6 months regardless of run time to stay on top of this problem. Most boaters make the mistake of stretching this oil change out to once a year at re-commissioning (and I know some guys who wait many years to change the fluids, using low engine usage as their justification.)

Oil is a lot cheaper than a new engine, so…when in doubt, drain it out!

One more point: in aviation and auto racing, the drained oil is routinely sent to an Oil Analysis Lab where it is checked for relative levels of all sorts of contaminants and metal particles…with a useful print-out returned to the owner. This provides an excellent record of engine health over time and can readily identify any internal points of concern, since different parts are made of different metals and graphing these relative wear levels over time is a useful spyglass into your engine. These reports are cheap (…on the order of $20 - $30 per sample), and the companies will send you a batch of small collector containers along with return mailing envelopes.

I can just hear many of you saying “Good grief, what nit-picking overkill for my reliable old diesel…and hey, if it fails, I will just sail back in to my dock or mooring!” On the other hand, I can think of many occasions on land, sea, or air where I would have been up the proverbial creek without a paddle if the engine were to fail. Also, keeping careful oil change records, along with a general log of all other maintenance and repairs/replacements can be mighty helpful when you are trying to prove to a potential buyer that your boat has been well treated over the years.

You can Google this test lab subject for lots more info, but here are two quick links on it: www.blackstone-labs.com/about-us/what-is-oil-analysis and www.titanlab.com/test-kits

Barry Stott
Chadds Ford, PA

Thanks for your concern Barry.
I am however quite confident about my maintenance program.
I don’t fly myself but I used to operate a fleet of small diesel ferries that accumulated over 20,000 hours annually. We changed oil at regular intervals and vacuum was always used. I performed a lot of the rebuilds myself and had the opportunity to observe wear and weak points.
We never found anything but expected wear and never had catastrophic failure. The one observation I can give is that when we changed to synthetic oil the wear dropped dramatically.
I think that the way you change the oil may be less important than the frequency and te quality of products.

Paul M
NS30U #211 Sandpiper
Cowichan Bay B.C.

I have seen wear numbers drop off using synthetic oil. But interestingly the engine manufacturers continue to spec Dino oil...

Other point is on my W21 the angle of the engine and the location of the drain mean I leave 1 pt of the 3 qt full behind...

Now I need to go looking for all those transmission parts in my bilge..

We used to rebuild at 5,000 to 7,000 hours with oversized pistons and rings and new maim and rod end bearings.
We pulled apart the first engine run on synthetic from new at 5,000 hours even though it still had good compression, just to look. You could still see the original crosshatching in the cylinders. There was virtually no wear.

I haven’t bought a pint of non- synthetic oil since.

Is it safe to switch to synthetic on a 1986 Westerbeke 21A with 1300 hours on the clock?

Tim in STL

White O’morn NS26U #216
Harbor Point Yacht Club
West Alton, MO

I don’t know why it would be a problem. The engine is almost new. I know we changed all of our ferries over when we discovered the difference and I don’t remember any issues. However I have only anecdotal evidence. Perhaps there is someone with more intimate knowledge of lubricants here that can give a more quantitative answer.

I switched last year with over 3000 hrs and there was an improvement in the oil analysis report.

Joe Valinoti
S/V IL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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Thor, if you are leaving a pint behind I think you could benefit from the vacuum system. The suction line is a gentle curve so you can turn it and direct it to the lowest part of the pan.

I’ve had mine a while and don’t remember the make but it’s pretty much like this one. They will suck to the last drop.

https://www.amazon.ca/8milelake-Evacuator-Manual-Oil-Changer/dp/B073F8KMK2/ref=asc_df_B073F8KMK2/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=292901988939&hvpos=1o5&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1778131667114499375&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=t&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001612&hvtargid=pla-574704456212&psc=1

I am still using Rotella 15-40 which was always used in my ‘88 30 U, westerbeke 27A and most every other diesel boat in my area. It is easily found around here also. I have been sold on full synthetic for my last 2 cars (gas) after reading about it and the strong recommendation of a high level automotive engineer. Just haven’t had the nerve for some reason to switch with the diesel. Especially wondered about the weight since I don’t think I have ever seen 15-40 on a synthetic.

Joe, what brand and weight did you go with and why?

Fred Rachwitz
Concerto
NS 30 U #445
Harbor Springs, MI
Northern Lake Michigan

It was Liqui Moly. I think it was 10-40.

https://www.amazon.ca/Liqui-Moly-2043-Anti-Friction-10W-40/dp/B00CPL952G/ref=asc_df_B00CPL952G/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=292962948152&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16660695252741923727&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=t&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001444&hvtargid=pla-593419166354&psc=1

I use Rotella T-6 5W-40. It is obtainable online or at discount stores such as Walmart at a reasonable price. West Marine also carries it but at a much higher price.

Joe

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I use Rotella T6

I use the same device, but I may try the smallest tube via the oil fill tube and see if will bend better than the large one via the drain plug. I had a few stout lads on the bow once but did not make much difference plus it cost me 3 pts of beer to boot!