Hi All-
Recently purchased a Nonsuch 30, am new to the rigging and standards so this is boat, so probably a really easy question for most of you!
I am looking for solutions to keep the wishbone rigging from swinging so much when not under sail. What do you all do? Is it a choker issue? I have pulled the rig tight to the mast, is there a “Vang” of some type that keeps the back end in place? I have the main sheet tight but that doesn’t seem to be enough...
Also, my cousin is a tall guy and would like for him to be able to stand under it and not have his head touch the furled sail. (I think I have the topping lift pulled tight too.)
Are there other things that can be done?
Thanks for any advice!
On White O’morn we just tie a line from a back of the boom over to the aft pulpit near the life line. We use a slip knot at the boom for quick release and we leave the line tied to the pulpit.
Tim in STL
White O’morn NS26U #216
Harbor Point Yacht Club
West Alton, MO
I have two lines that go to cleats on port and starboard sides of the boat. I use clips to attach them to metal hoop on the aft end of the boom. Easy to secure and remove when needed and also adjust the tightness of the lines.
Mike
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1986 30U
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I do somethiing similar to Bianka, and use two docklines to secure the boom, one to port and one to starboard. On each side, I take the dockline eye-splice around the aft cleat, run it through the aft chock, up to the boom, loop around the boom, and back through the same way to tie off to the cleat with the eye. I do this on each side, farily tight, before tightening the topping lift, then tighten the sheet, and finally a tug on the choker. I’m on a mooring in the Hudson River, so this keeps the boom rock solid in position, it hardly moves at all when motoring or at the mooring, even in rough weather. I have three points to hold the boom – mainsheet, and line on each side. Others recommend a single line (port or starboard) pulling the boom over to that aft corner to create a triangle, and then tightening the mainsheet – essentially two points – but I’ve had one of my lines fail during rough weather, and prefer the added security of three (even though it’s a bit more work).
In any case, it’s easy enough to use the topping lift raise the boom as high as needed (I need to clear the bimini).
Tony Martin
Sheba Nonsuuch 30C #212
Nyack Boat Club,
Nyack, NY
Hi “Eutha” -
As you can see, we all sign off with a signature that lets others know who (and where) we are and what boat we sail. Unless we hear differently, you are “Eutha” from … ???.
I do the same as Tim and Mike. If I’m just dousing the sail and motoring, I have a line with a clip from the the starboard end of the aft pulpit (called the pushpit, if you wanna get exact about about it… even tho pushpit is a goofy sounding word … sorry, I digress) to one of several places to connect at the aft end of the boom. With this, you have two distinct places where the boom is connected to the stern - the mainsheet and the aformentioned clip line. The boom sits somewhat over the starboard side. Or … as Mike does it (and yours truly when I know that I’ll be motoring for a while) two equal lines that guy the end of the boom to either end of the stern, allowing the boom to ride on centre. And, yes, tightening the choker leaves less open space for the boom to oscillate to either side, slamming against the mast, VERY noisily.
The truth is that TWO equidistant bridle lines with the boom central will stop your problem except in really sloppy seas.
We do not use vangs on our boats and I don’t know of anyone who has been able (or desires) to rig any sort of a gybe preventer. The physics ain’t there but there are many tricks to prevent crash gybes (even tho we have all had them, sadly).
Best of luck and have fun with your superb boat.
Ernie A. in Toronto
And furthermore…
Regarding the topping lift, if you have really got the thing pulled to the max (such that the two pulleys at the end of topping lift are darn near touching each other) then your cousin must play in the NBA. The only way, I believe, to get that boom up higher is to shorten the COATED WIRE part of it that comes down from the top of the mast until it hits the top pulley. Then for sure, you’ll have to lengthen i.e. buy a NEW line for the topping lift as you’ll be pulling longer to get it way up there. THEN … in any case, do not fail to release the thing when you sail. It should not support the the aft end of the boom - that’s the sail’s job.
Cheers,
Ernie A. in Toronto
Eautha: Mine is real simple and uses just one line with an open hook attached that I connect to the bail on the end of the wishbone. It is left connected to the eye on the starboard side (either side works) as shown in the attached photos. No tying of knots just hook it on. There is no need for a line on both sides.
PS - Note how I've signed my name. This lets us know what you have and where it is to make it easier to answer questions
Joe Valinoti
S/V IL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA
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Capt. Mike:
I have the same arrangement. Need to keep the wishbone centered because my less than satisfactory sunshade hangs on it. I was just thinking I need to make the two lines adjustable. What gizmo do you use to accomplish that if any?
Kate Herman
Sea Rose
N26C #134
Noank CT
Joe,
How do you like your snubber? Does it make a noticeable difference?
My boom preventer works just like your. Simple, no need to make it more complicated.
Jim Cosgrove
FATE 30U #343
Galesville MD
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Hi All Responders-
Thank you all so much! Lots of things to try here! I am thrilled!! What a great help this board is!!!
As I said I am new to the Nonsuch, but I absolutely love her! She really sails beautifully and I am a bit surprised by how fast she is, even in light winds! I have some work to do to bring her up to “Bristol Fashion”, and it is a little daunting, but little by little I will make a punch list and get her in good shape over time!
This swinging wishbone was definitely driving me crazy! So glad I asked! The fix seems pretty simple!
My other pet peeve is the sail cover-the current one snaps underneath, and I am more than a little frustrated with the on/off process...but I see a few threads here that address the design ideas (for a future new one) which is awesome!
I am planning on sailing her up to Essex, CT (to also hopefully meet Jim Eastland, whom I have talked to by phone), and also to get the Shipyard there to give her a good look over. The survey identified a few items, but I think a yard, familiar with this boat, would be able to give me some good suggestions and help put the punch list together.
I had read about the mast issue and I called Jim to see if he could give me more information and help me identify any future issues. He was super nice and offered to personally take a look and give me suggestions for the fix if it is necessary!
Anyway, would enjoy meeting any of you fellow owners! I really want to go to Halifax in August - but I am still not sure I will make it!
Thank you All!
Eautha
Naiad-Nonsuch 30 Classic
Stamford, CT 06820
We’ve tried all sorts of ideas to stop this including most that were mentioned. Then we realized something was already available to do the job. We use adjustable nylon straps. The kind that you pull on through a buckle to tighten, not ratchet straps. They already have hooks on them to run through the eyes on the boom and the stern line guides. They don’t last forever. We get about two summers out of them. The sun and salt eats them up but they’re cheap enough to replace every couple of years.
Our procedure is: Bring the topping lift up to the mark on the line (took us some time to find our sweet spot so the sail and boom stay off the bimini. Once we found it, we marked it), Bring the sheet down tight then attach the straps. Lastly we yank on the adjustments until they’re snug and the boom doesn’t budge. Makes it super simple to get ready to sail. Just press the release on the straps to get some slack and remove the straps. After that, normal sail raising procedure.
Everything mentioned will work as described. What works for you is the right solution. :).
Kevin Wilson
NS30U #475, “Adagio”
Biloxi, MS
Kevin: What do you do with the straps after you unhook them?? My line just hooks onto the stern rail (pushpit).
Joe Valinoti
S/V IL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA
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In my case I had an oversize jam cleat and a snap shackle laying around. The pictures show my rig. I simply unjam the line from the jam cleat, unsnap the shackle and lay the rig on the deck. Once the topping lift is in place and sail down, sheet in, I snap the shackle in place and pull on the line throught the jam cleat and I am done. It is simple and never fails. When I get a chance and not so frugal I will replace this rig with a lighter rig. Knowing me, that’ll probably be never.
Cheers!
Butch
Butch Garren
Nonsuch 30 #196
Whiskers II
Solomons, MD
Joe: it just depends on the sail plan for the day. If it’s a daysail, we usually just throw them in a corner in the cockpit. If it’s a longer trip they usually get tossed in one of the lockers. I will say this. Sitting on one of those buckles will get the blood flowing really quick. Haha.
Butch: I love your doors. We’ve been looking for months for someone local to make us some swing doors. Since we’ve moved aboard the drop boards have gotten very inconvenient. Did you order those or have them made/ make them yourself?
Kevin Wilson
NS30U #475, “Adagio”
Biloxi, MS
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Joe: it just depends on the sail plan for the day. If it’s a daysail, we usually just throw them in a corner in the cockpit. If it’s a longer trip they usually get tossed in one of the lockers. I will say this. Sitting on one of those buckles will get the blood flowing really quick. Haha.
Butch: I love your doors. We’ve been looking for months for someone local to make us some swing doors. Since we’ve moved aboard the drop boards have gotten very inconvenient. Did you order those or have them made/ make them yourself?
Kevin Wilson
NS30U #475, “Adagio”
Biloxi, MS
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My gizmo is simply a line clipped to the wishbone bail led to a twisted D shackle at the aft corners. The line the is then secured to cleats on the cockpit coaming. It is easily adjusted as needed.
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In my case I had an oversize jam cleat and a snap shackle laying around. The pictures show my rig. I simply unjam the line from the jam cleat, unsnap the shackle and lay the rig on the deck. Once the topping lift is in place and sail down, sheet in, I snap the shackle in place and pull on the line throught the jam cleat and I am done. It is simple and never fails. When I get a chance and not so frugal I will replace this rig with a lighter rig. Knowing me, that’ll probably be never.
Cheers!
Butch
Butch Garren
Nonsuch 30 #196
Whiskers II
Solomons, MD
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Welcome Eautha to the Nonsuch world.
I notice in your most recent signature that you also have a Naiad? We owned one about 15 years ago. Always said when we grew up we would have a Nonsuch! Now we have a one, but not much larger.
Our boom stabilizer is line through a clam cleat with a becket (#CL253) clipped to the boom end and looped around a corner cleat. Although I will be moving it to the corner chock as someone hear showed in a pic. Less interference with dock line on the cleat. Doh!
Bill Wickett
N22 #38
Makin’ Time
FPYC
Hamilton, ON
We too run a line (actually an old chocker line - the short piece that attached to the mast) from the stern eyelet on the port side to a hook which we attach to the end of the boom (we like the boom pulled over to one side to make it easier to put the cover on over the Bimini). To adjust it, we use a tautline hitch (some call it a tent guy hitch or three half hitches) (https://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/tautline-hitch ).
I retired in December and have been sailing with lots of people on our boat and they have noted the tautline hitch and have asked to have it demo’ed. It is a good knot to have in your quiver. Besides for our boom “vang”, I use the knot to guy out the back end of the dodger, to make our hanger lines adjustable, and for the lines we use to attach our solar panels to the furled/covered sail. Check it out. I like it since it costs nothing but a bit of line and is easily adjusted.
lloyd herman
Rendezvous, 30U
Port Washington, NY