Trailer a NS22

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Hello NS group members,
as in the process to prepare to trailer a NS22 for a considerable distance, we would like to ask for any input/advice regarding how to secure the mast and wishbone onto the boat and the boat onto the trailer.
We found a good size (could fit a 30ft) double axle trailer with 6 pads rated 8000lbs - the distance to haul it home is about 2200km.
Technically we are confident about the trailer and tow vehicle - as a former trucker, I might rather overdue the securing of the load, but any suggestion regarding ‘the better way to do it’ is most welcome.
We are very exited to have found ‘our’ boat and being member of this wonderful group and INA already gave us great infos and pleasure.

Ed&Gil Shreiber

In the process to acquire a NS22

Lunenburg NS

[RONALD_WEBER]

I trailered my 22 from Cleveland Ohio to Punta Gorda Florida without incident with the exception of having to change underwear in the mountains of West Virginia at night in the rain.

My trailer was accommodating to carry the mast sections on each side and the boom I secured to the deck with cushioning on the cabin top. The overall height was right at 12’ (3.66 meters) and arrived in good condition.

Congratulations on your acquisition and I know you will love her.

Ron Weber
N22 Magic Time
Punta Gorda Fl

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Hi Ed and Gil,

In 2010 when my NS 22 was brought from Connecticut to Southern Maryland, it was with the rig shown.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

Butch

Butch Garren

Nonsuch 30 #196 “Whiskers II”

SIYC Slip 12

Solomons, MD

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Congratulations on your purchase! May you have lots of great times aboard.

I haven’t done it, but I would say the since the mast is 10-11’ longer than your trailer, it will need to be secured to the cabin top of the boat so it can reach over the bed of the truck. At 21’ or so the boom should fit on your trailer by the keel. IMHO.

Ken Julian
“Blue Note “ NS 26C#9
Fredericton, NB

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When Andrews shipped my 26 the mast was wrapped in clear self stick packing film. It was secured to the deck of the trailer. But this was a 50 foot trailer with a 49 foot mast. You have a 30 foot with a 40 foot mast. So you may have to put on the deck overhanging the cab. 4 Plywood / 2x4 horses on deck strapped it down to the cleats.

Being a trucker I am sure you’ve got more knowledge of the regs and such.

Depending on the season and route road rash can be an issue.

[user43]

Hey Ed -

Atta boy. It’s a wonderful boat. I know diddley about trailering a boat but you should get some responses as some of our members have trailered their Nonsuches. Frankly, nice to have a trailer as you can put her on the hard, on the trailor, and take her home or … to store her. Or, you can trailer her south.

Overly-simply put, (and possibly not quite correct), you’ll have to be prepared to spend a bit of time at the place where you’ll be picking her up. I’d be prepared to buy some hardware, etc. and maybe some 2 x 4s to build forward and rear stands to accomodate the boom as it “sits on the pulpit” or … ??? And wherever the aft end of the boom winds up (supported by a crutch or whatever) in the cockpit.

The mast length is close to 41’. If the boat rides high enough (but not too high for the highway and bridges), the mast could sit lower down on the trailer (well-padded snd damn well-attached) such that it doesn’t stick out too far at the back. If the mast ends up on top or near the top of the boat, it won’t get in the way of the tow vehicle as it turns.

I would take the time to work out a system such that you do NOT have to seperate the 2 pieces of the mast for transport. Yeh, sure, that works on paper but, in reality, you have sufficient fish to fry with a new boat and the challenges of a road trip with her that you don’t need that headache (think of re-assembly, etc.) right now. Just get her back in a solid piece to home port.

BRING ALL OF YOUR TOOLS, comealongs, whatever. Some chunks of old foam rubber, maybe. The boat should come with lots of line. Use it to tie everything up then wash all of the lines before launching the boat.

I’ll attach some photos of how the boom would sit on top of my NS 22 for winter storage. It was basically a a 2 x 4 laid over the pulpit and an “H” standing brace at the back of the cockpit. Fortunately, the boom can be easily picked up by 2 people so it can be adjusted easily. And, no, NEVER take the wishbone boom apart unless you must, for a repair, etc.

Also, type in “trailering” or anything like that in the SEARCH box up top.

Have a good trip !!

Ernie A. in Toronto

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Seconding Thor’s thoughts, I’d wrap both the boom and mast in packing film 9the kind on a roll) and gaffer tape the film down. Do NOT let a square inch of tape adhesive touch any aluminum or fibreglass. Tape on top of the film and use lots of film. That is important. The tape goo is hell to take off.

Ernie A. in Toronto

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To be precise, your mast length is 40’-9 1/2". FWIW.

– Bob
Me Gusta
Nonsuch e26U #233

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Ed,
If you go to the Nonsuch Photo Galleries and select the 33, select all and go to the bottom you will find Roman’s 10:9. There are pictures there of a 33 that was transported from Ontario to Vancouver, B.C., a trip of about 2700 miles.

https://pbase.com/nonsuch/image/91353523

Mark Powers

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There’s a product call Citra Solv… hard to find and not cheap. But a little goes a very long way. Removes oil, grease, and tape residue very well. But best keep tape off the mast.

https://www.citrasolv.com/citra-solv-intro

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Lee Valley in Canada sells similar product, a concentrated citrus cleaner. Also not cheap, but works well, you only need a small amount. Worked well to clean my shore power cord.
Don

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Hi Ed
I trucked my 26 from St. Catharines , ON to Cape Breton (around 2002) with a pro boat hauler. About the same distance you plan to haul. Beforehand I made spar supports at the stern (2x 6 uprights supported at seat, triangulated to sole and lashed to binnacle); and to the mast step (wedged into deck partner hole). For the 2000 km transit this supported the wishbone, the mast was lashed to the deck of the transport trailer. The mast was wrapped in plastic film for protection. You can also see in the pics there are plywood gussets at the top of each mast support. i have used these supports for 20 years for winter mast storage and short-run transport from haul-out to home yard and back to launch on a ‘haywagon’ trailer. The mast, and boat, are stepped/lifted with a rented mobile crane at launch and haulout. The wishbone stays in place resting on deck and on the pulpit while mast is stepped or unstepped. I ttakes some deft handling by 3 people on deck to get the wooden supports in or out of the way when stepping/unstepping. When the mast is horizontal atop the boat for storage it makes a great ridge pole for a winter tent.

I don’t think this mast set-up atop the boat is good for long distance transport unless you can reinforce the mast around the spline; and also to prevent the long overhangs from bouncing - in your case looks like at least 10’ in either direction. (Maybe 2x6 splints would work???) See photos attached which should be self explanatory about my set up. Please don’t hesitate to query me on this.

Greg Silver
Misty Cat 26C #121
St. Peter’s, Cape Breton

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Andrews but my boom under the boat…

And what is it about electrical cords. I got so tired of cleaning the goop off our Debbie made a sleeve out of old sail cloth for it.

T

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I have never towed my NS 22, “Cheers”, but I have towed boats and trailers alot. I think the NS 22 is kinda an easy tow, all things considered. Weight is light enough and you are within legal width and height. It is a big plus that you are over-trailed. 2 spare tires and a spare hub/bearing set for safety sake might be justified, and check everything of course. I think bunks are better than post and pads but the 22 is solid glass hull with a pretty robust lay-up compared to most and would do fine on either. Cored hulls can be damaged by trailering. The big deal is don’t let the load shift or bounce. The trailer, boat, mast and boom all need to move as one and adequate chocks, padding and ratchet straps would accomplish that. My boat is an inboard so checking motor mounts and possibly enhancing holdown to resist road shock might be looked at. I would take any heavy stuff off the boat and put it in the back of the truck if possible. If the truck has a rack I would look at putting the wishbone on it. Under the boat would be the next choice for the wishbone but on deck could work too. The mast has to go above and extend as far aft as legal or maybe a little more with a flag.Good padding, chocks and hold down straps are important for it. At least 3 chocks spread as far as possible and one under or near the joint.Having the bigger trailer is a plus for it. Try to protect the boat from road grime and rock chips but flapping tarps etc. can do more harm than good and boats do wash. I had several rock chips in my boat windshield from towing it a few times to Tahsis BC. Serious bad road the last 40 miles. We had a rock go through 1 side of a split windshield on a fishing boat trailering to Loreto Baja Sur once. Stop and check your load often and take it easy.

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Ed&Gil Shreiber

If I am reading the longitude and the miles correctly, it looks like you are moving from Nova Scotia south along the east coastline of US. If that’s true then why not hire some crew to deliver your N22 via water?

Brian Cayer
Spirit~ Wind
N30U 419
Deep River, Ct

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As a former delivery skipper, the odds of getting a delivery boat crew to move a 22 ft boat are slim.

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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I agree with Joe. As delivery on a boat like an N22 is not the norm, most delivery companies are not accordingly equipped and must use the same equipment as they would for a larger boat and must charge the same rate. I’m sure someone could be contracted to do the job but the cost would not be proportionate to the size. Just my opinion and I hope to be wrong.

Ron Weber
N22 Magic Time
Punta Gorda Fl

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Yes that is so . But if you can captain the boat and hire an experienced crew for
$300 each /day for what? 5 days perhaps… never mind

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Assuming 4 kts and 24-hour sailing, 2200 km or 1367 miles would be more like a 14 day trip. And both those assumptions are on the optimistic side.

– Bob
Me Gusta
Nonsuch e26U #233

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Ed -

I would never consider moving this (not-so-big and well-equipped) vessel by water for any serious distance (of which this trip qualifies). Now, this next statement may cause a bit of consternation but, if it was me, I’d have a pro do the move. I realize that you, Ed, are an experienced trucker (and sailor) but you are going to pick up an unfamiliar vessel with an unfamiliar trailer (in, I’d imagine, an unfamiliar place where folks spend American dollars - yikes !!!).

I will assume that everything will be fine but we all know how these things will go. You need somewhat more time, money and patience than you have budgeted for.

You haven’t left yet (I don’t think). You now own a trailer which is very handy and you could spend all kinds of time down the road working out how you would use it to move your new boat. A trailer is very handy, once you’ve got it all figured out.

But, for this very first move, I’d still be looking at a recommended, insured pro. Ideally, you fly down there around pickup time and work with the driver for a few days. This headache of “the first move” will only happen once. but, this way, it’ll happen right, guaranteed.

Bottom line - I do not know of another sailboat owner who had bought a trailer and driven a fair distance to pick up his/her new boat. I’ve only heard of professional moves on land or well-planned and crewed moves on water. There must be good reasons why.

I will not accuse you of being “penny-wise and pound-foolish”. That is rude and over the top and, honestly, not deserved. It’s completely understandable why many folks, just like you, would come up with this idea. In a perfect world, given these variables and realities, there’s every chance that it will all go well. But, there’s also every chance that you may have some real problems and, since I have a feeling that you are not 35 years old (any more), you do NOT need the stress and worries.

Frankly, I’d re-consider this plan.

Ernie A. in Toronto