When running in those kind of conditions, one might try overtigtening the topping lift to give the wishbone more clearance above the water when the boat roles. I’ve done this in the past and it’s a fair trade off.
Joe Valinoti
S/V IL Gatto NS30U #221 (1984)
Sea Harbour Yacht Club
Oriental, NC
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Al:
You can raise the the end of the boom with the topping lift, which will also spill wind out of the upper portions of the sail.
Joe Tierney Allegro NS33 #64 Annapolis, MD
Have you sailed offshore? If not, I recommend that you crew on
someone else's boat offshore first. My first offshore sailing
adventure was from San Francisco to Hawaii on a Hans Christian 44' in
1990. We were at sea for 21 days. In 2002 I paid John Neal and
Amanda Swan-Neal to crew on their Halberg Rassey 46 from Hawaii to
Tahiti. Check out their website at MahinaTiare.com. They had six
paying crew on board. John and Amanda taught us most of the skills we
would need to cross an ocean on our own boats. The cost in 2002 was
$5,000. plus airplane tickets. Was a great experience. We were at
sea for about 19 days. I decided that my Nonsuch 30 was not the boat
I would take across an ocean and that three weeks was enough for me.
I learned that this $5,000. voyage was really an inexpensive way to
discover that I'm a coastal / San Francisco Bay / fly and charter
guy. There are many very good to excellent ocean cruising boats in
the 30 - 35' range. The Nonsuch 30 isn't one of them. Outfitting a
boat for sailing offshore costs much more than $5000., and many who do
learn the same lesson as I.
Bob McPeek, Pau Hana, NS30C
Well said Bob.
I have sailed offshore many times to the Caribbean and the Bahamas and thought of how it would be on my Nonsuch. I enjoy my Nonsuch for what it was made for and when I want to sail offshore, which I do frequently I go on my buddies Shannon 43. He is always looking for crew.
I would be reluctant to sail alone with a hand in a cast roller furling or not.
Frank Anderson
Namaste #357 U
Winthrop, Ma.
Bob:
You experience in blue water sailing seems like money well spent. I also did some blue water sailing on the Ocean Star an eighty foot schooner than operated by Ocean Navigator magazine which was most educational in number of ways. This summer while cruising on my Nonsuch 30 I had an Epiphany of sorts regarding long distance cruising in my Nonsuch. I’ve been thinking about taking the BIANKA south for the winter one of these years but, for some reason this year I started thinking: Hmmm do I really want to spend 5 weeks mostly motoring down the ICW or do I want to spend five hours on a plane and step on to a crewed Catamaran (as my girlfriend demands) we do in places like Belize or the Bahamas. This year I began to see her logic. Especially, since I am starting to pack for an up coming two week trip in the Maldives on a 45 foot Catamaran. Don’t know if I am losing my wanderlust or just becoming more practical in my travel plans with the boat. As much as I would really like to I know I would never be able to get my Nonsuch to some places like the Maldives by sailing it there.
Mike
BIANKA
1986 30U
http://biankablog.blogspot.com
P.S. If any Nonsuch owners would like to join us in sharing the costs of a CREWED catamaran charter in Belize or the Bahamas some winter or spring. Please drop me a line off list. Must like sunrises, snorkeling/diving, sunsets and anchoring away from population centers as much as possible. No shoppers need apply!
— On Mon, 12/20/10, Bob McPeek rjmcpeek@aol.com wrote:
> From: Bob McPeek rjmcpeek@aol.com
> Subject: Re: long distance cruising on a Nonuch 30 U
> To: “INA Nonsuch Discussion Group” INA-Nonsuch-Discussion-Group@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 8:14 PM
>
> Have you sailed offshore? If not, I recommend that you crew on
> someone else’s boat offshore first. My first offshore sailing
> adventure was from San Francisco to Hawaii on a Hans Christian 44’ in
> 1990. We were at sea for 21 days. In 2002 I paid John Neal and
> Amanda Swan-Neal to crew on their Halberg Rassey 46 from Hawaii to
> Tahiti. Check out their website at MahinaTiare.com. They had six
> paying crew on board. John and Amanda taught us most of the skills we
> would need to cross an ocean on our own boats. The cost in 2002 was
> $5,000. plus airplane tickets. Was a great experience. We were at
> sea for about 19 days. I decided that my Nonsuch 30 was not the boat
> I would take across an ocean and that three weeks was enough for me.
> I learned that this $5,000. voyage was really an inexpensive way to
> discover that I’m a coastal / San Francisco Bay / fly and charter
> guy. There are many very good to excellent ocean cruising boats in
> the 30 - 35’ range. The Nonsuch 30 isn’t one of them. Outfitting a
> boat for sailing offshore costs much more than $5000., and many who do
> learn the same lesson as I.
> Bob McPeek, Pau Hana, NS30C
>
> On Dec 11, 2:45 pm, thewolf <thewolf…@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks for the responses. I am looking for the general limitations,
> > if any, of yes both long term live aboard coastal sailing and
> > potentially crossing oceans to cruise other areas. You are right
> > about some of the promotional material regarding ocean voyaging, that
> > is why I ask. The ads even refer to California to Hawaii
> > specifically. I realize at some point different people have different
> > opinions on the minimum boat to traverse the Atlantic. I am trying to
> > find those who have crossed oceans in a Nonsuch or know those who have
> > and what they felt was needed in modifications to do so. Please
> > excuse my newness to the site, I am just beginning to learn how
> > everything works. I do appreciate the knowledge of the Nonsuch
> > community and that is one of the reasons I am interested in the
> > Nonsuch 30 Ultra and what I can and can not expect regarding range of
> > use. I already appreciate the large cockpit size issue, cockpit
> > drain issues and the small bridge deck. I am curious if anyone has
> > dealt with those issues, or any others, so as to improve the ocean
> > going capacity of their Nonsuch. If the ultimate opinion is “No” I
> > get that, but if there is some who “has” I would like to hear from
> > them.
> >
> > On Dec 11, 1:15 pm, Allen Ames <allen.ame…@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Many of us could go on and on about this and have done so in the past. If you
> > > are talking about a week or more on the open ocean on a Nonsuch, many would
> > > advise against it. Despite early advertisements, the Nonsuch is the ultimate
> > > COASTAL CRUISER but NOT well set up for extended ocean voyages. I, and many
> > > others, have spent extended times living aboard – once for 8+ months cruising
> > > from Maine to Key West and back. I would have no problems taking the boat
> > > “offshore” to the Bahamas. If you’re talking about a trans-Atlantic voyage, I
> > > would say NO!!!
> >
> > > If you can be more specific about what you mean by “long distance cruising” and
> > > “blue water cruising”, we could be more specific with our advice.
> > > Allen Ames
> >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: thewolf <thewolf…@hotmail.com>
> > > To: INA Nonsuch Discussion Group <INA-Nonsuch-Discussion-Group@googlegroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sat, December 11, 2010 2:19:49 PM
> > > Subject: long distance cruising on a Nonuch 30 U
> >
> > > Looking for persons with experience in blue water cruising in a
> > > Nonsuch 30 U. i hope to make the modifications needed to live aboard
> > > and do extensive cruising. Any suggestions, advise, help would be
> > > appreciated.
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