RE: Cabin sole

Hi Pete,

Hope you enjoy your new boat. There will always be some challenges and frustrations but the Nonsuch offers less than found on other boats. This forum will make your life easier.

When I bought my boat, it was evident that the cabin sole deteriorated due to water that filled the bilge and appeared to overflow and sit for some time. It looked, not so good but I felt that I could temporarily fix it but the first thing to do was to eliminate the water problem. Re-gooked every fitting on deck including the hand rails. The biggest culprit was the through plates that keeps the head bulkhead in place. You can tell if that’s one of the bad guys by the wooden cover outside the head bulkhead, both ends, if it is stained. If you need pictures, let me know. That is an easy fix by the way. Contact me any time and I’ll gladly give you my tale of woe and what I did about it.

I ended up cutting a couple of inches off both ends of the cabin sole, galley area. The forward area was not the best but did not need to replace wood. I then got a hold of some teak pieces and ran horizontal boards across each end. Sanded it all down and re-varnished. To do this I did removed all of the cabin sole. I installed and made new teak plugs for each of the screw holes. You can Purchase a plug cutter fairly cheap. Sanded those down and varnished again in the boat. This was all a temporary fix as I still did not like the look. The previous owner took good care of the boat but the first thing you saw inside was the cabin sole and took away from all the other nice things that he had done to the boat. Again, I’ll send pics if you would like.

I finally concluded that I do not like the cabin sole and that it is going to be replaced. To make a long story short, I reviewed all the possibilities out there and was not satisfied with any of them and they were all very expensive. So, I decided that I am going to build my own from scratch and I wanted it to be brighter and distinguished, if possible. I had some black walnut, was given some cherry and I bought some curly maple. I also bought 2 sheets of MDO 3/8” thick. I made a design for the 7 1/2” boards that cover the bilge and I am working on that right now.

The above picture shows some of the work process for the bilge boards. First I made tiles that consisted of 4 pieces of Black walnut, each sandwiched by two pieces of curly maple. I did the same with cherry. Alternating the pieces I glued 8 (4 each to make tiles that I could work with). I cut the pointy ends off and glued the ends together to be sized exactly like the existing bilge boards and glued them to the sized MDO boards. I then added a black walnut and cherry strip followed by a curly maple strip on the outer edges. The picture with the clamps is the mounting of the appropriated number of tiles to the MDO board. At this point every thing is a mess. Since I oversized the thickness of everything, the planer takes care of just about all discrepancies. The area on both sides of the bilge board will be black walnut with curly maple strips just like the teak/holly arrangement found on most boats. The black walnut will be accented with 3/8” curly maple plugs every foot or so.. When everything is completed, construction wise, all finished pieces will be planed down at the same time as to ensure that they are all the same. The thickness is a tad less than a half inch (this means I don’t know the metric measurement as of this writing. When don everything will be epoxied and I have not made a decision on final finish yet.

I hope this helps,

Cheers,

Butch

Butch Garren

Nonsuch 30 #196

Whiskers II

Solomons, MD

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Very nice job Butch. You’re much more ambitious and capable than me.

David Young
Bay Cat, 30U #402
Suttons Bay, MI
USA

Hiya Butch -

OK - the cabin sole that you are building rivals an M. C. Escher print. It’s sensational. But all of this was simply a ruse to get us to weep at how stunning that model boat is - it’s wonderful !!

Spring is here - it was warm - I re-plumbed my 2 sinks and the head. A good day …

Ernie A. in Toronto

Butch,. I refinished the cabin sole on my 33 recently. I found out that what the OEM used was the product called fabulon
I can report that it goes on very nicely and levels out nicely as well. It’s hard as a brick as it was used on bowling alleys. I use the matte finish for better grip. If you have trouble locating it online send me an email and I’ll dig out where I bought it from.

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I was going to do my cabin sole. Price to replace it was $1300. But the veneer was so thin it would be damaged in a week. We tried to fill a dent with teak sawdust and it didn’t work. So we fine sanded it and put two coats of poly urethane and it looked pretty good.

Phil Levine. MeSays Nonsuch 36 no 3

Teak and Holly plywood with a 1.2 mm surface veneer costs $295 CAD in Victoria BC. It is 6mm and would need backing but is almost certainly what was used originally. The stuff has been around forever. There is a less expensive option but the veneer is thinner. Without checking I doubt there would be requirement for more than two sheets.

Paul M
NS 30U #211 Sandpiper
Cowichan Bay B.C.

And there are the synthetics …

http://www.flexiteek.com/

Interesting products - not cheap but …

Ernie A. in Toronto

Hi Phil,

You are correct, the options to replace or repair cabin sole are expensive. I think we have all tried the glued up or epoxied saw dust method at one time or another with not so satisfactory results. The Polyurethane method seems like the way to go. I am considering putting on a thin coat of epoxy first on both top and bottom. I would love input on that thought.

Cheers,

Butch

Butch Garren

Nonsuch 30 #196

Whiskers II

Solomons, MD

Good Morning Richard,

Thanks for your input. I have been reading up on Fabulon and have written to a couple of suppliers. Since they were not accustom to “cabin sole” or “inside the boat floor boards” the could not support that use but indicated how good the product was. But, everything I read about it, is positive. I appreciate the lead and I just may go that route.

Thank you.

Butch

Butch Garren

Nonsuch 30 #196

Whiskers II

Solomons, MD

That is a quite impressive sole. Ours was surface damaged by condensation from the refrigeration. However, you snuck in a picture of that model Nonsuch? Where did you get the hull plan, or did you make the plan yourself? New topic?

Alan & Tracy, NS30C “Corvus”, Toronto